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albertwt
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Need help in looking for 12 TB+ low cost SATA NAS with file replication

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Hi People,

 

Can anyone here please suggest me some low cost NAS solution to be presented as File Server (CIFS) share for my Production and DR site with replication enabled ?

 

Here’s the 1 Unit HP storage server with up to 12 TB capacity HP StoreEasy 1430 12TB SATA Storage

(B7D90A): http://www8.hp.com/us/en/products/file-object-storage/product-detail.html?oid=5335884

 

But the problem is that the drive is just four x 3 TB RAW disk space, and I'm not sure what is the replication technology to drive the PROD-DR site replication.

 

 

P.S. this thread has been moved from Servers > Planning to Storage > Planning - HP Forum Moderator

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Re: Need help in looking for 12 TB+ low cost SATA NAS with file replication

The StoreEasy 1430 12TB is 4x3TB pre-configured as RAID6, so you only get about 6TB of usable space. This can be expanded using a D2600 storage shelf which can add up to an additional 12 drives. In RAID6, with 3TB drives, this would give you future expandability up to 42TB.

The Windows Storage Server 2012 platform the NAS is built on has DFRS replication technology that can do a site-to-site replication between two units running the WSS operating system. For more info on DFRS:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj127250

Hope this helps!
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Re: Need help in looking for 12 TB+ low cost SATA NAS with file replication

Ah I see now David,

 

Which means that this is not the Stor Easy that I need, so what about the bigger model:

 

Flexible File and Application Storage

HP StoreEasy 5530 30TB LFF 7.2K Storage(B7E04A)

http://www8.hp.com/us/en/products/file-object-storage/product-detail.html?oid=5335935

 

what I need is that:

1. large capacity greater than 12 TB for future growth of the file server.

2. reliable site to site replication which means I need any replication solution (for my Symantec Enterprise Vault especially), since I'm going to present this storage as CIFS share not windows shared drive or mapped network drive due to the drive leter limitation.

 

can you suggest me which solution suits the above scenario ?

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Re: Need help in looking for 12 TB+ low cost SATA NAS with file replication

If you want more reliable replication site-to-site, you may want to consider a SAN. Native SAN replication occurs at the block level and may be a bit more reliable than using software-based file system replication which you'd get on a NAS device.

There's a few SAN options in HP's portfolio -
P2000 MSA - less expensive, lots of connectivity options, but limited long-term expandability and limited higher-end feature sets

P4000 StoreVirtual - designed for virtualization and data replication scenarios. A little pricier, requires iSCSI networking, but has some more advanced features such as syncronous replication (requires a very low latency network between sites!) and thin provisioning.

StoreServ 7000 - Bit pricier, but far more expandable, supports 4 controller configuration (which has various performance and reliability benefits), advanced thin provisioning & thin persistence features, literally (in my opinion) the cat's meow as far as midrange storage arrays go.

Using a SAN also gives you flexibility in how you present the storage - you can use existing servers to "host" the SAN storage as shares to the rest of your network(s), or you can use a purpose-built "NAS gateway" such as the HP StoreEasy 3840.

Are you located in the US? If you are, I can connect you to a great team of solution architects that I know at a premier HP Specialist reseller that can help you construct and implement such a solution. Let me know if you're interested. (Let me preface this with I don't work for the reseller, they're just people I trust.) Let me know if you want the connection. When it comes to higher end storage, they have access to configuration tools which unfortunately I do not, and might be a bit beyond the scope of advice on a forum anyway. :-)

Cheers!
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Re: Need help in looking for 12 TB+ low cost SATA NAS with file replication

David,

 

I'm in Australia, the budget that I need to have is obviously under $100k strict limit, because the idea is to reuse the expensive SAN disk for other purpose.

 

I guess you're right in terms of replication technology:

 

NAS / CIFS share usually replicated using the OS layer or file level such as DFS (less reliable)

SAN / LUN usually replicated using the data bit layer or block level such as SAN Copy or any other proprietary replication technology which is more reliable.

 

I'll have more research into the Left Hand MSA series with less than AUD $100k for my needs.

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Re: Need help in looking for 12 TB+ low cost SATA NAS with file replication

Not knowing what SAN you're using, this comment may be off base but I'm just throwing it out there...

You might really want to look into StoreServ 7000. The HP 3PAR StoreServ 7000 has autonomic data tiering - essentially, the system's designed to have SSDs, 10K/15K SAS, and 7.2K MDL drives installed and dynamically move data to cheaper discs when it's not often accessed data. It does this at a sub-LUN level too, so that it's tiering the actual data, not the volume the data resides on, which truly eliminates any sort of manual management.

Add in advanced thin provisioning, thin persistence, zero detect, and the "get thin guarantee" (HP actually guarantees that data migrated from legacy SANs will fit on half the physical disk space or HP pays the difference in hardware, software, and support costs - they're that confident in how well their advanced thin provisioning works!) and you end up spending a lot less on disks in a long run.

Plus, with features like replication built-in, you accomplished your original stated goal.

Best part - the HP StoreServ 7000 has configurations that start under US$40K.

I know you didn't really start out looking to replace your current SAN disk, but honestly, it may be your best long-term move to accomplish all your goals and enable easy, more cost effective future storage expansion.
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Re: Need help in looking for 12 TB+ low cost SATA NAS with file replication

Wow that's good to know David.

 

Yes at the moment all of our servers and blades is with HP and our storage is only with EMC.

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albertwt
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Re: Need help in looking for 12 TB+ low cost SATA NAS with file replication

David,

 

For example with the HP P2000 G3 FC 24x1TB SAS SFF Bundle-QR521B the cost is around $25,919.00

Which includes HP Storage P2000 Array System Snapshot 512 Software

 

Total capacity raw with RAID are as follows:

Capacity               22.528 GB

Speed gain          22x read speed, no write speed gain

Fault tolerance  2-drive failure

 

Source: http://www.raid-calculator.com/default.aspx

 

can I buy two of those unit and then perform the replication between the Prod to DR instance suing the $4000 software ?

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