03-23-2011 11:02 AM
No mention of it, but does anyone have any info how this impacts Rdb and DBMS (and of course native Oracle?
I am not optimistic here...
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03-23-2011 10:28 PM
Below are few related links on the same topic.
03-24-2011 05:34 AM
I've not seen anything specifically for RDB yet.
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03-24-2011 06:56 AM
In the near term, obviously nothing needs to happen and nothing needs to change. Oracle software support for existing environments remains available, and the existing Itanium boxes work now and will for some years ahead, and new Itanium boxes are presently available. Status quo.
What has changed is the future availability of new versions of Oracle products.
Which means that we now have a mid- or longer-term choice of a migration off of OpenVMS or HP-UX to another operating system with Oracle database support, or of an on-platform migration from the Oracle products to a different database (and what are the options?), or reconfiguring our existing environments and applications to use a served (remote) database, or some combination of these.
None of these are particularly good choices.
Further information on the application options and alternatives will almost certainly be (or is?) available from Oracle, and y'all (HP) do presently have an opportunity to provide your input and your suggestions and your product alternatives, as well as input and suggestion from your (HP) partners. This window won't remain open indefinitely, as responses are being formulated and decisions are presently being made.
03-24-2011 07:47 AM
Both Oracle RDBMS and the RDB products are covered by lifetime support. That should give us up to 8 years of support with patches. That time will be a bit less probably because I believe the initial 5 years starts as of the product release. After that support will be there just no new patches.
In our case, it would be easy to move our Oracle RDBMS server to another platform - just costly but our application could run happily on VMS. However since we use Codasyl DBMS(RDB) as our production database our options aren't too good. We can take the risk after the patch period is over or leave VMS.
As a company we have already made inquiries to Oracle and yet to hear a response. The best of the bad situation would be that RDB continues on but Oracle RDBMS stops.
03-24-2011 08:59 AM
According to the Oracle web site RDB 7.2 will be supported to at least 2016
You can write to Oracle with your opinion
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03-24-2011 07:50 PM
The sites I have worked have already begun migrating away from VMS to Solaris/Linux for Oracle Server DBs. VMS did not receive much love from Oracle for the Oracle Server DB.
RDB/VMS: it'll be good opportunity to migrate applications too, not just the DBs.
I wonder though, why HP didn't go the route of Oracle/MS/IBM and buy up enterprise software.
03-26-2011 05:29 AM
Some more links -
The battle is certainly on between HP and Oracle. Interesting to read previous posts, to know the actions taken by customers based on this move by Oracle.
Just wondering what could be the next move (and by whom) :)
03-26-2011 01:55 PM
For example, suppose HP decides to help Ingres port the latest version of their database to Alpha or Itanium.
Or suppose IBM decides to port PostgreSQL to VMS Alpha and Itanium.
This would suppose the top management is bright...
03-28-2011 07:04 PM
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03-29-2011 01:51 AM
11gR2 188.8.131.52 is the last planned DB release for HP-UX on Itanium, and 10gR2 10.2.0.5 is the last planned DB release for OVMS, Windows and Linux on Itanium. For RDB last release is RDB 7.3 for Itanium.
If this is not want you want then do let Oracle know. They need your business.
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03-29-2011 06:23 AM
Digging out and dusting off and adjusting all of the database-specific accretions(1) that are implemented within legacy databases can be a big project in any database migration.
And that's before you look at both the supporting tools, and whatever odd extensions to SQL might be in use within the environment, or at the tools and compilers involved around any embedded SQL usage.
And given typical license and support prices, the environments with the "low hanging fruit" and with the "easy stuff" have often already been ported.
I've had some platform ports that were easier than some database ports.
YMMV, of course.
(1): por ejemplo, stored procedures, triggers and rules and key constraints, and the whole rest of the zoo that tends to silently breed within modern databases.
03-29-2011 06:29 AM
>> Oracle DBMS is Oracle Database is it not?
No, that surely is meant to be a reference to the Oracle CODASYL DBMS which is closely tied to RDB. It is listed as a 'related' product.
It currently has the same released version number 7.2.4 and as such might not need an explicit mention.
>> For me the most worrysome mention so far is the suggestion that Oracle-Oracle 10.2 would be the last version, not 11.
As Norm also suggests in C.O.V, RDB 7.3 can be seen as good news. That _is_ a news version with perhaps many more sub-versions to come as proper customer support might require that.
In a conversations over a billiards game with some RDB engineer last Friday that is the current, optimistic, thinking. Yeah they are worried. They may become innocent victims caught in the crossfire.
Let's just wait for the dust to settle some.
03-29-2011 06:53 PM
It seems to match my earlier understanding of the situation.
With respect to the RDBMS question it talks about the RDB family being: "Oracle Rdb, Oracle CODASYL DBMS, Oracle CDD/Repository, Oracle SQL/Services,... and more"
Unfortunately it also confirms Oracle-Oracle 10.2.5 as a final release on OpenVMS, not 11gR2. Bummer.
I have attached a simple text version of that messagge.
03-29-2011 07:34 PM
* Compare: Ingres vs Oracle
* Comparison of relational database management systems
03-29-2011 10:56 PM
Contuniing Alpha while discontinuing Itanium would only make sense if they had lots of Alpha customers (and very few Itanium customers).
03-30-2011 04:48 AM
We don't currently use any Oracle database products on VMS although we were evaluating the possibility of using 10g as a bridge to our Unix environments which use Oracle.
We're currently using a non-SQL-based db product with a lot of host language calls using that vendor's language (bordering on several thousand routines).
We've been looking at upgrading from 7.3-2 to 8.3 or 8.4 on Alpha preparatory to beginning an Itanium migration, but I suspect upper management will take an even longer "wait and see" position and re-raise the re-platform issue once again.
06-14-2011 03:46 PM
Also an earlier (24 March) report about Oracle, HP and Integrity, see http://www.techeye.net/chips/very-unseemly-row-bre
Both reports came from Mike Magee, whose accuracy has sometimes been questioned (e.g. progress when VMS ported). He does however regard VMS quite favourable, saying in the second of the above "...the very robust OpenVMS ..."
Just thought you might like to know.