01-11-2010 11:33 PM
Can aries be used in Development of 11.00 and 11.11 PA-RISC apps on 11.23/11.31 IA machines .
I know we can do it in solaris zones , here PRM or secure PRM doesnot support 11.00 and 11.11 .
Our clients doesn't want to upgrade to 11.23/11.31 so we need to still support our Old product .
Any Ideas folks, thanks in Advance.
01-12-2010 02:53 AM
You would need cross-development environment that is targetted to both a different CPU architecture and a legacy OS version. Such a thing does not seem to exist at the moment.
HP XPADE is something that might eventually become such a cross-development environment, but in its current state it *cannot* solve your problem:
HP-UX 11.00 is unsupported: the situation would be equivalent of trying to develop for Solaris 7/x86 on Solaris 10/SPARC. Even Solaris Zones cannot do that, as far as I know.
01-12-2010 07:47 PM
01-12-2010 08:53 PM
You can roll your own SDK (you won't be supported):
>MK: the situation would be equivalent of trying to develop for Solaris 7/x86 on Solaris 10/SPARC.
I'm not sure it is that equivalent after all.
01-13-2010 03:03 AM
Dennis: I'm not sure it is that equivalent after all.
Well, HP-UX 11.00 is unsupported, just like Solaris 7 is.
x86 and SPARC are different CPU architectures, just like PA-RISC and Itanium.
And by a quick look to the Solaris Zones documentation, the zones will allow compatibility with Solaris 8 or 9, but not with 7; this is probably because Solaris 7 is unsupported. And the zones simply cannot emulate a different CPU architecture; they can only translate the programming API.
Just like I don't expect Sun/Oracle to put much resources into extending the Zones functionality to cover Solaris 7, I don't expect HP to provide cross-development tools on Itanium for HP-UX _11.00_. The key words in both cases are "obsolete" and "unsupported".
In HP's case, the entire PA-RISC architecture is on its way out, and the 11.11 End-Of-Sales date was at the end of 2009. Maybe the future releases of XPADE will become a full cross-architecture development environment that allows building real PA-RISC software on Itanium; but on the XPADE web pages it says the priority will be on 11.23/PARISC and 11.31/PARISC targets only.
If XPADE gains the ability to build for 11.11/PARISC target, well and good... but I expect it will take a while.
I acknowledge that Itanium may have been designed to include some hardware-level PA-RISC compatibility to make Aries possible/easier.
But it would be possible to create a x86 emulator for SPARC, too; it just might be less efficient, but not so different in kind.
01-13-2010 12:27 PM
That's where Aries comes in, it removes that difference.
>I acknowledge that Itanium may have been designed to include some hardware-level PA-RISC compatibility
There isn't any that I know of, other than common instructions like ADD and SUBTRACT. :-)
01-14-2010 06:26 AM
01-15-2010 03:33 AM
You probably want feedback from developers, not admins.
>Lets hope XPADE is supported for 11.11 environment.
(Were you asking for "will be supported"? Otherwise, it isn't now.)